Re: Moving the transgender discussion upward:

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Posted by Catherine Cartwright Jones on August 21, 2002 at 19:21:37:

In reply to: Re: Moving the transgender discussion upward: posted by Nick on August 21, 2002 at 18:13:40:

: And another question:
: This discussion so far has dealt with transgender roles among males-
: what about female transgendering?

It is hardly unheard of for women to have same-sex relationships in
North Africa and the Middle east. Such was near the norm in larger
harems. Homosexality is considered a moral failing in Islam, but in
society tolerance varied from open permission to vicious persecution.

In the Ottoman world, in the royal household, the cook was not
permitted to send in zucchini without cutting them into pieces. Like
women can't figure out how to get around that......! I've read love
poetry written by women that was clearly written to another woman.
Once secluded in a woman's world, under protection of veil and the
eunuch at the door, women formed relationships. I don't know of a
transgender position in society, for women who were behaving as males
outside of the harem. Women who were not under a man's roof were sex
workers, and had heterosexual sex. That's not a transgender role,
though. So ... things proceeded in a different way. There were
lesbian relationships (which if someone got nosey and vindictive would
get you dead) within the harem and there was sexual activity outside
the harem, but I've not heard of lesbian activity outside the harem
... except for the few very rare women who had enough money to
maintain their own household, preferred female lovers, and had enough
power to keep enemies from ruining them. One such was a marvelous
woman in medieval Arab Spain .... wrote AMAZING poetry!


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  • ooh! rachael 19:38:31 8/21/2002 (1)
    • Re: ooh! Catherine Cartwright Jones 20:22:24 8/21/2002 (0)

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