The assumption is that they are the same product
Posted by Maureen on October 13, 2002 at 03:09:29:
In reply to: So many issues... posted by txilar on October 12, 2002 at 23:43:29:: I'm confused at all the hyperbole everywhere- Mark posted
: which are basically what Catherine is doing. If his are okay, and
: they are what she is doing, then her's are okay.
The difference in what Mark suggested and what Catherine did and is
still doing is that Mark suggested a way to control the sample. That
is not what was done. And most likely is not what will be done. The
issue is and always had been one of methodology as I have presented
it. When it went somewhere else, someone took it there. If there is
no interest in a methodology that can support the validity of the
results and conclusions of these exercises, then no matter what the
results are they lack validity.
If I get henna powder X from exporter A and sift it prior to selling
it... And if another supplier gets henna powder X from exporter A and
decides not to sift it, then it most certainly does make a difference
what supplier that sample came from.
If I get henna powder Y from exporter B and pay extra for sifting and
removal of the dye....And if another supplier gets henna powder Y
from exporter B but purchases it as is with dye and lack of sifting,
then it most certainly does matter which supplier that sample came
If I sell herbal/henna hair powder S from exporter C as a
herbal/henna hair dye only...and another supplier gets herbal/henna
hair powder S from exporter C and sells it as body art quality henna
powder, then it most certainly does matter which supplier that sample
came from. If there is an herbal dye in my herbal/henna hair powder
sold for hair use...it is there because I want it there. That is the
reason I bought it in the first place for hair use. That is what the
customer is asking for. If there is an herbal dye in the henna
powder sold as body art quality henna powder, then that is not what
the customer is asking for.
This is about whether the methodology is controlled to identify and
separate out hair henna samples from a test touted to be an
assessment tool to inform about what is in the henna powder being
used for body art. Does it recognise and identify that henna powders
of the same name can and are very different based upon the supplier
they are obtained from?
The first step of what Mark suggested controls for this. Saying what
Catherine is doing in currently calling again for samples from
anywhere and anyone is the same as what Mark has stated in that first
step requires a reread. There is no similarity in the controls of
the two techniques for collecting samples as presented by Mark and
Catherine. One maintains the status quo...the other sets standards
and identifies a procedure to follow to assure the custody of those
Sujah should not have to go on faith and trust when certainty can be
built in easily. Mark has a suggestion up there. It will be
interesting to see if that is what occurs.
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