Re: With All Due Respect...

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Posted by jen on September 15, 2001 at 12:29:12:

In reply to: With All Due Respect... posted by Anne Beltestad on September 14, 2001 at 22:20:14:

Yes, our government is in part to blame for this, but not in the way
most people think. This article (linked below) is the best analysis
I've seen:

: I am glad that people are touched by this (old?) view of the USA by
: Canada. It is indeed a wonderful thing in this world of
nationalism
: and imperialism, not to mention war, that the US and Canada can
have
: friendly relations.
: HOWEVER,
: It is important to put the events of the past few days into
context.
: What would cause "terrorists" to hate the United States and its
: symbols of economic power so much that they would kill thousands of
: innocent people, people who were just working and going about their
: lives?
: Who is this bin Laden character and why does he hate the US? Why
is
: he so well-trained and well-armed?
: Unfortunately, the media for the most part often ignores large
: portions of history.
: As with many other "badguys" in the Middle East and Latin America,
: bin Laden is a creation of the United States' "Intelligence" system.
: It is a well-documented fact, documented by "MSNBC", in fact, that
he
: was in the pay of the CIA while we were using Afghanistan as a pawn
: in the Cold War against "communism". When we cut off his payroll,
he
: got mad, and had the training and expertise of the world's largest
: military spender under his belt...to turn against that same
: superpower.
: I am in no way legitimizing what happened; I saw the second tower
: collapse from my roof and it was horrendous and unbelieveable. I
am
: still in shock that anyone would think that this was right to do,
: that these "terrorists" gave their lives to kill peoples' mothers,
: fathers, brothers, sisters, daughters, sons, etc. Words cannot
: express the rage.
: But this event did not happen in a vacuum. It is the culmination
of
: decades of American arrogance throughout the world. It is a
horrible
: tragedy, and profoundly wrong, but as my roommate said this morning
: it is to some extent the United States' chickens coming home to
roost.
: Let us not be blinded by the patriotism, the rallying behind the
: flag, the waggling of our huge military might, so that we do not
see
: the role our own government has played in the creation of these
: events.
: Feel free to email me if you'd like to discuss.
:
: peace,
:
: Anne
:
:
: : it touched me enough to want to post it here so you all could
read
: : it. I hope this doesn't offend anyone.
: : *
: : *
: : Subject: America "The Good Neighbor"
: :
: :
: :
: :
: :
: : This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing.
: :
: : America: The Good Neighbor.
: :
: : Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a
: : remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a
: : Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of
: his
: : trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:
: :
: : "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the
Americans
: as
: : the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on
all
: : the earth.
: :
: : Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were
: lifted
: : out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions
of
: : dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these
: : countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining
debts
: to
: : the United States.
: :
: : When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the
: Americans
: : who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and
swindled
: : on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. When earthquakes
: hit
: : distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help.
: This
: : spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes.
Nobody
: : helped.
: :
: : The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of
dollars
: : into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are
: : writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans. I'd like to
: see
: : just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of
: the
: : United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other
: country
: : in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the
: : Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they
fly
: : them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly
: American
: : Planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a
man
: : or woman on the moon?
: :
: : You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios.
: :
: : You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles.
: :
: : You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the
: moon -
: : not once, but several times - and safely home again.
: :
: : You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in
the
: : store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers
are
: : not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most
of
: : them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting
American
: : dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.
: :
: : When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down
: : through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the
: : Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody
: : loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke.
: :
: : I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of
: : other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when
someone
: : else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was
: : outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.
: :
: : Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is
: damned
: : tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of
this
: : thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled
to
: : thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their
present
: : troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those."
: :
: : "Stand proud, America!"
: :
: :
: : This is one of the best editorials that I have ever read
regarding
: : the United States. It is nice that one man realizes it. I only
wish
: : that the rest of the world would realize it. We are always blamed
: for
: : everything, and never even get a thank you for the things we do.
: :
: : I would hope that each of you would send this to as many people
as
: : you can and emphasize that they should send it to as many of
their
: : friends until this letter is sent to every person on the web. I
am
: : just a single American that has read this.
: :
: : Sherry Jameson
: : Department of Biochemistry & Molecular Biophysics
: : e-mail: jameson@email.arizona.edu
: : 626-3784
: :
: : "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves for they shall
never
: : cease to be amused." -Unknown source

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: Yes, our government is in part to blame for this, but not in the way : most people think. This article (linked below) is the best analysis : I've seen: : : : I am glad that people are touched by this (old?) view of the USA by : : Canada. It is indeed a wonderful thing in this world of : nationalism : : and imperialism, not to mention war, that the US and Canada can : have : : friendly relations. : : HOWEVER, : : It is important to put the events of the past few days into : context. : : What would cause "terrorists" to hate the United States and its : : symbols of economic power so much that they would kill thousands of : : innocent people, people who were just working and going about their : : lives? : : Who is this bin Laden character and why does he hate the US? Why : is : : he so well-trained and well-armed? : : Unfortunately, the media for the most part often ignores large : : portions of history. : : As with many other "badguys" in the Middle East and Latin America, : : bin Laden is a creation of the United States' "Intelligence" system. : : It is a well-documented fact, documented by "MSNBC", in fact, that : he : : was in the pay of the CIA while we were using Afghanistan as a pawn : : in the Cold War against "communism". When we cut off his payroll, : he : : got mad, and had the training and expertise of the world's largest : : military spender under his belt...to turn against that same : : superpower. : : I am in no way legitimizing what happened; I saw the second tower : : collapse from my roof and it was horrendous and unbelieveable. I : am : : still in shock that anyone would think that this was right to do, : : that these "terrorists" gave their lives to kill peoples' mothers, : : fathers, brothers, sisters, daughters, sons, etc. Words cannot : : express the rage. : : But this event did not happen in a vacuum. It is the culmination : of : : decades of American arrogance throughout the world. It is a : horrible : : tragedy, and profoundly wrong, but as my roommate said this morning : : it is to some extent the United States' chickens coming home to : roost. : : Let us not be blinded by the patriotism, the rallying behind the : : flag, the waggling of our huge military might, so that we do not : see : : the role our own government has played in the creation of these : : events. : : Feel free to email me if you'd like to discuss. : : : : peace, : : : : Anne : : : : : : : it touched me enough to want to post it here so you all could : read : : : it. I hope this doesn't offend anyone. : : : * : : : * : : : Subject: America "The Good Neighbor" : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing. : : : : : : America: The Good Neighbor. : : : : : : Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a : : : remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a : : : Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of : : his : : : trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record: : : : : : : "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the : Americans : : as : : : the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on : all : : : the earth. : : : : : : Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were : : lifted : : : out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions : of : : : dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these : : : countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining : debts : : to : : : the United States. : : : : : : When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the : : Americans : : : who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and : swindled : : : on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. When earthquakes : : hit : : : distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help. : : This : : : spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. : Nobody : : : helped. : : : : : : The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of : dollars : : : into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are : : : writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans. I'd like to : : see : : : just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of : : the : : : United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other : : country : : : in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the : : : Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they : fly : : : them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly : : American : : : Planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a : man : : : or woman on the moon? : : : : : : You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. : : : : : : You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. : : : : : : You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the : : moon - : : : not once, but several times - and safely home again. : : : : : : You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in : the : : : store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers : are : : : not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most : of : : : them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting : American : : : dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here. : : : : : : When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down : : : through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the : : : Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody : : : loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. : : : : : : I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of : : : other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when : someone : : : else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was : : : outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake. : : : : : : Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is : : damned : : : tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of : this : : : thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled : to : : : thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their : present : : : troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those." : : : : : : "Stand proud, America!" : : : : : : : : : This is one of the best editorials that I have ever read : regarding : : : the United States. It is nice that one man realizes it. I only : wish : : : that the rest of the world would realize it. We are always blamed : : for : : : everything, and never even get a thank you for the things we do. : : : : : : I would hope that each of you would send this to as many people : as : : : you can and emphasize that they should send it to as many of : their : : : friends until this letter is sent to every person on the web. I : am : : : just a single American that has read this. : : : : : : Sherry Jameson : : : Department of Biochemistry & Molecular Biophysics : : : e-mail: jameson@email.arizona.edu : : : 626-3784 : : : : : : "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves for they shall : never : : : cease to be amused." -Unknown source
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