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Posted by Anne Beltestad on July 18, 2001 at 20:18:26:

In reply to: I agree-- posted by Nick on July 18, 2001 at 18:56:08:

my problem was more with the other side in the debate, who just don't
seem to be "getting it".
I just hope that out of conflict, can come a return to being here for
the joy of the art, not to push "my bestest henna tattoo" (sic)
OK, enough sarcasm for the moment!

yet another Anne

: Another thing i want to say, is please don't put down those of us
who
: are defending the forum. As you may have noticed down there, a lot
of
: people seem quite united in the opinion that the 'paid to sell'
: stance is no fun. It's hard to ignore when people keep pushing ads
in
: your face. So we really are trying to do something about that, and
: unfortunately, the only way to do that in this case has been to
have
: a bit of an argument. Everything can't always be perfect, and there
: will always be the occasional conflict. You have to live with it
and
: slide with it, cuz it will pass.
: ~Nick
:
:
:
: : I haven't had my paste get grainy, but then I usually don't
strain
: : after mixing, but before. We use cake-decorating tubes, not
: : j-bottles, and find it way easier to sift the henna (the fred-o-
: matic
: : is neat, but pantyhose work ok too) then strain the lemon, tea
: : mixture, etc.
: : As for the bad vibes below, that stuff dismays me, too. I was
: going
: : to post something to that effect until I saw you'd already done
so.
: : I think this forum was started in a spirit of sharing, of
education
: : and non-competitiveness, which for me at least was refreshing
after
: a
: : run-in with the local "McMehndi" artist who is just plain mean.
: : I found this forum to be pleasant, friendly, etc., Catherine
mailed
: me
: : henna and designs, I met Kree through here, and so on.
: : Lately the vibe has changed, and it's sad.
: : I have no problem with objective statements about particular
: : suppliers' products, but I do have a problem with people being
paid
: to
: : post here, being here for no other reason than to sell, sell,
sell,
: : putting down other products in favor of theirs, etc.
: : There is a larger problem which to me is one of attitude. There
: seem
: : to be more put-downs than usual, and a certain measure of
: : arrogance/defensiveness that is really unpleasant.
: : I agree about standards. We used to have them, or perhaps it was
: : simply the unspoken agreement among adults. Whatever, this forum
: : would be well-served to return to such standards.
: :
: : trying not to sound TOO much like a grad student,
: :
: : Anne Beltestad
: :
: : : it is represented in that war. Anyone who came to the forum
: within
: : : the last 2 weeks for the first time must truly have a strange
: : : perspective about what goes on here. Glad I found the forum a
: few
: : : weeks prior and know what usually goes on here. I am glad you
: : posted
: : : because I was thinking that I was the only one turned off by it.
: : :
: : : Maureen

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: my problem was more with the other side in the debate, who just don't : seem to be "getting it". : I just hope that out of conflict, can come a return to being here for : the joy of the art, not to push "my bestest henna tattoo" (sic) : OK, enough sarcasm for the moment! : : yet another Anne : : : Another thing i want to say, is please don't put down those of us : who : : are defending the forum. As you may have noticed down there, a lot : of : : people seem quite united in the opinion that the 'paid to sell' : : stance is no fun. It's hard to ignore when people keep pushing ads : in : : your face. So we really are trying to do something about that, and : : unfortunately, the only way to do that in this case has been to : have : : a bit of an argument. Everything can't always be perfect, and there : : will always be the occasional conflict. You have to live with it : and : : slide with it, cuz it will pass. : : ~Nick : : : : : : : : : I haven't had my paste get grainy, but then I usually don't : strain : : : after mixing, but before. We use cake-decorating tubes, not : : : j-bottles, and find it way easier to sift the henna (the fred-o- : : matic : : : is neat, but pantyhose work ok too) then strain the lemon, tea : : : mixture, etc. : : : As for the bad vibes below, that stuff dismays me, too. I was : : going : : : to post something to that effect until I saw you'd already done : so. : : : I think this forum was started in a spirit of sharing, of : education : : : and non-competitiveness, which for me at least was refreshing : after : : a : : : run-in with the local "McMehndi" artist who is just plain mean. : : : I found this forum to be pleasant, friendly, etc., Catherine : mailed : : me : : : henna and designs, I met Kree through here, and so on. : : : Lately the vibe has changed, and it's sad. : : : I have no problem with objective statements about particular : : : suppliers' products, but I do have a problem with people being : paid : : to : : : post here, being here for no other reason than to sell, sell, : sell, : : : putting down other products in favor of theirs, etc. : : : There is a larger problem which to me is one of attitude. There : : seem : : : to be more put-downs than usual, and a certain measure of : : : arrogance/defensiveness that is really unpleasant. : : : I agree about standards. We used to have them, or perhaps it was : : : simply the unspoken agreement among adults. Whatever, this forum : : : would be well-served to return to such standards. : : : : : : trying not to sound TOO much like a grad student, : : : : : : Anne Beltestad : : : : : : : it is represented in that war. Anyone who came to the forum : : within : : : : the last 2 weeks for the first time must truly have a strange : : : : perspective about what goes on here. Glad I found the forum a : : few : : : : weeks prior and know what usually goes on here. I am glad you : : : posted : : : : because I was thinking that I was the only one turned off by it. : : : : : : : : Maureen
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